A question asked because of action taken responses and still the wrong is being found of. Three sides of a coin which will you see

[Rev. Allen M. Drago ~ Traveler]

A question asked because of action taken responses and still the wrong is being found of. Three sides of a coin which will you see

This is my and the responses from the action of banned from sites. People who have answered my asking if they knew of things. And messages back and forth. Names and sites have been removed to not point or give directions time and dates are left to see the flow of it. The bottom line is none but a few of the ‘befriended’ in the Ningverse have typed to me to ask and have answers given.

Many it seems closed their minds and do not want to ask or learn difference of social stereotypical ideas and the actually of one person. Below you will find some of the messages written to me from others. Some are those who this action has been taken by. Others finding things out and the general concern of why and how come.

I asked of a banning massage sent to me. It referenced other sites I am on other adim and others talked to. But because of that asking to find if anyone knew of it or was part of it. I have been banned off three more sites. And it seems several people do not read things for they thought is was a personal attack or I was banning them or threatening to or accusing them. Which it was not just a asking of help to know where this came from and if any knew of it.

No I did what I do ask if any one knew of or about things. And found only three that had an idea. But got lots of do not know or what or why.

Guess that does not work in the Ningverse. Instead all just fly off to their own separate corners and can type anything they want of any one they do not agree with them and make it as if correct.

Instead of typing me asking me and learning the of me.

Judged sentenced and executing of sentence commenced.


(2009-07-30 17:46:57) Ning = *******: you there? sorry it took so long to get back!
(2009-07-30 17:47:05) Ning = *******: I have a response from Peter know it all!
(2009-07-30 17:47:13) Ning = *******: He said the following:
(2009-07-30 17:47:13) Traveler: you do what is need
(2009-07-30 17:47:17) Ning = *******: Merry Meet.,
We have facts from other sites as well as ours. You are not an admin or a creator of a site. So we can not share the info with you. You can contact Ning, they have factual reports on him. So its not just us. You may leave the site if you want, We owe you no explanation on this. His profile was fine. He was caught spamming kiddies porn, on several sites, not just ours.Blessed Be your path Peter I consider this matter closed. He was given an explanation, why he was banned from me, several admin's, and other sites that banned him. We can't help that he ignores these messages
(2009-07-30 17:48:04) Traveler: now that is news to me. Don't you have a site?
(2009-07-30 17:48:11) Ning = *******: yes I do
(2009-07-30 17:48:15) Ning = *******: apparently, asshole doesn't REALIZE that!
(2009-07-30 17:49:06) Traveler: um how does one get a copy of the ning thing? as site person request it?
(2009-07-30 17:50:21) Ning = *******: not sure. looking into it now
(2009-07-30 17:51:09) Traveler: ok then and how does one cautch one doing this? and how proves it is the person there id theft? cut paste use some one profile?
(2009-07-30 17:52:39) Traveler: never asked me of this nor has anyone ever typed of this before
(2009-07-30 17:53:24) Ning = *******: well, I have the HELP tab open now for Ning. I am about to check it out.
(2009-07-30 17:53:53) Traveler: sick um
17:56
(2009-07-30 17:59:18) Ning = *******: this is what I have said to the Ning Helpdesk:
(2009-07-30 17:59:23) Ning = *******: I have been informed that several ning administrators and creators have banned a person going by the name of Traveler. They have attacked him without cause and accuse him of all sorts of things that he is innocent of. I have had NO trouble with this person. He is actually QUITE intelligent and has alot to offer as a member. He is being banned without warning, not given the chance to defend himself, and now Peter J. Brown, who has accused ME of not being a site creator and therefore "unworthy" of being given information on WHYthis man was banned, has accused Traveler of child porn, which he has told me he is NOT into in the least. He is not being given fair treatment and I, as a site creator, would like to know WHY he has been singled out like this! I should like one of you to get in touch with me AND Traveler so that his side of the story can be revealed and this persecution be stopped! I am FURIOUS that this is going on at a site that up until now I have had quite a great time on! I talk to Traveler every day and know him to NOT be the kind of person Peter has accused him of! I want this to be handled in as direct a way as possible! Thank you. *******
(2009-07-30 18:00:46) Traveler: I bow my head and softly thank you little one
(2009-07-30 18:01:01) Ning = *******: bows back You are quite welcome!
(2009-07-30 18:01:16) Ning = *******: I mean what I say, as well! I am APPALLED that this is going on!
(2009-07-30 18:01:39) Traveler: I am currently copy past the messages that I have upon this.
(2009-07-30 18:02:09) Traveler: I have been accused of things before but nothing like this
(2009-07-30 18:02:23) Traveler: THen I could walk up and face the person
(2009-07-30 18:02:40) Traveler: Here there is not I can do to do so.
(2009-07-30 18:04:27) Ning = *******: add this:
(2009-07-30 18:04:31) Ning = *******: You are not privy to any complaints, or otherwise.
I have told you its had nothing to do with his profile at all! one of best friends is into BDSM, and I still love her. We won't to answer your questions, but we respect the privacy of the sites and members, with factual complaints him, also from ning itself. Again, I say it had nothing to do with his profile!!!!! Blessed Be,
(2009-07-30 18:04:50) Traveler: reading to Isabell will get here
(2009-07-30 18:06:17) Ning = *******: Aparently, he is saying NIng has "factual reports" on you!
(2009-07-30 18:06:59) Traveler: what are factual reports?
(2009-07-30 18:07:30) Traveler: Isabell asks where did they come from
(2009-07-30 18:07:46) Ning = *******: these two came from Peter J. Brown
(2009-07-30 18:08:02) Ning = *******: creator of The Craft ning site
(2009-07-30 18:08:51) Traveler: Iwas on that site less than 24 hours and asked if he wanted the practitioner pictures whe he responed ok to
(2009-07-30 18:09:00) Ning = *******: I honestly thing he is full of shit!
(2009-07-30 18:09:24) Traveler: that is insulting to the shit
(2009-07-30 18:09:26) Ning = *******: think I mean
(2009-07-30 18:09:29) Ning = *******: :)
(2009-07-30 18:09:33) Ning = *******: true
(2009-07-30 18:09:34) Traveler: nope
(2009-07-30 18:10:23) Ning = *******: he is arrogant in his attitude though and as far as I'M concerned, he is heading for a fall
(2009-07-30 18:10:59) Traveler: wait till I get this all placed into one place.
(2009-07-30 18:14:07) Traveler: Do you think he would be awoken when he finds the Artist site?
(2009-07-30 18:14:49) Ning = *******: I have no idea. I think I'm about to be banned from THIS site though!
(2009-07-30 18:14:56) Ning = *******: My latest rebuttal:
(2009-07-30 18:15:00) Ning = *******: You claimed I had no right to know the situation because I am not a ning creator but I AM so I DO have the right to know what is going on. I HAVE asked Ning about this and I promise you I will look into it thoroughly. He has been singled out without a SHRED of proof other than people don't know like profile while someone who has STALKED no less than TWO women on the ning site is allowed to continue with his activities! You may ban me if you will. I care not! I was asking NICELY but have only gotten derision and arrogance in return. I WILL get to the bottom of this and if there IS something that he has done wrong, then I will apolegize but if there is NOT, then I suggest you learn humility.
(2009-07-30 18:15:46) Ning = *******: I ask you to include THIS as well with your other notes, just so one of us has them all. :D
(2009-07-30 18:16:00) Traveler: fang and claw I need you to sic people more he he he
(2009-07-30 18:16:08) Ning = *******: LOL
(2009-07-30 18:16:11) Ning = *******: bows
(2009-07-30 18:16:17) Ning = *******: brb

Ok this is as now for it ms tlikely will continue you decide am I what they accuse me of was this done incorrectly do people read and jump to worse ideas do other read and have no clue up what they have been asked. Many thing no pointing no saying bad members. This is what has been sent and stored. Let it stand as is. I am letting people know what has happened and I do. I do not hide I face.

Wow look at what happened when asked further of this matter: (2009-07-30 18:57:49) You are not privy to the information You are not a member of the Conglomeration of site owners and admin.'s. Nor an admin., here. There are reports on you, also for the same thing, it comes from a member of Wiccan Togther and Ning itself. THIS MATTER IS CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AS I SAID, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PROFILE, AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS SIIE, IF YOU LIKE? I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH YOU, YOU ARE BLATANTLY BEING DIREPECTFUL AND IT IS NOTED, AND YOUR MESSAGE HAVE BEN SENT TO NING, AND THE CONGLOMERATION. YOU KEEP SAYING ITS BECAUSE OF THE BDSM ON HIS PROFITE, I HAVE COSISTANTLY TOLD YOU THAT THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL NOT LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! Blessed be Your Path, PETER PS. YES I'M YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rev. Allen M. Drago ~ Traveler]

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From: andrew rutledge ([e-mail])
Sent: Fri 7/31/09 1:59 AM
To: Traveler ([e-mail])

andrew rutledge has sent you a message on GATE KEEPERS OF THE EAST GARDEN

I just got done reading your blog. feel free to post it here as well, it'll be a good lesson for pepole to learn from, & you could have put my name to what I typed for I don't hide what I have to say. The only wrong question is the one that goes unasked, that saying is older than dirt & it still is true. At least your freinds helped & in the end there the one's that know you & have your back when times get rough, sorry I wasn't much more help. Take care & I hope things turn arround. I do have questions as to what you mean buy the old ways, but in due time, you have more pressing matters at hand, & if you need anything ealse feel free & ask. MANY BLESSINGS MY FRIEND.

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From: Knight King ([e-mail])
Sent: Fri 7/31/09 2:28 AM
To: Traveler ([e-mail])

Knight King has sent you a message on MANY FRIENDSHIPS 2

I am writing about your blog at ancient world. Don't you remember me saying not to put that on the site that you were making people paranoid? Well two of my staff members did not like your blog, and really I'll be honest with you, it had no place at my site, it is not our business, at all. Traveler I cannot have a staff that is scared to have you around, so it was agreed to have you banned. I mean why did you try and post that after I spoke to you about the message you sent to us all? I know you are upset, but this was not the way. I am trying my damnedest to understand you, but I cannot make someone else understand you that has just read your blog. I'm sorry this has happened, I really am. If you would have just stuck with the topic of the site , the ancients. You have so much to offer, man you blew it big time. I have to think of my staff and members, sorry man. kk

I really wanted you on that site, I really did.

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At 3:29am on July 31, 2009, G.O.L Terrence Dempster N.D,SOL said…
my dear friend thank you for your honesty. you have no fear of being banned on this site at all if they dont like what they see they are free to depart we wish you well and your prophile is just fine

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At 6:42am on July 31, 2009, Groteth Goreroth said…
as i am very intrested about ur blog post.
would really wanna see the look of your pages as what caused u to get banned or complained at etc.

as i have been banned from many site due the nature of my profile page and such.

so thats is why i made this website,cuz i knew there were ppl just like me out there.

im not saying all us here are same.
but we share something that is within all of us.

[Rev. Allen M. Drago ~ Traveler]

Comment by Blackbird on July 30, 2009 at 8:49pm
Delete Comment Well, I will say - I have no idea why you need to include your sexual proclivities on any Ning site that doesn't relate to such things. Paganspace has a BDSM group, so that would make sense, but otherwise - there doesn't seem to be a purpose for such information.

Oh, it does also make me laugh that your profile references only contacting you with correct English. Your introduction to these notes was hardly understandable - let alone in proper English. Where you banned from any group on here or other Ning sites? If it wasn't from here - why are you bothering us with this??

Especially since site owners have every right to kick you for whatever reason they deem fit. In this case, they were justified outside of "I just don't like you."

Traveler Comment by Traveler on July 30, 2009 at 8:55pm
Delete Comment Would you enjoy being banned for being you or that someone says you like children and it is blindly believed? I am as I am and my profiles and uniform in all corners I have. Why be one one place and different in another?

It is easy to sit back pick at things. But how does some one prove that they are not when it seems there is a Conglomeration of site owners and admin.'s that decides things that no one has heard of.

Yes I type in older styles and words. If some one wants truth how but to make clear to all what is happening and that the incorrect being done is as easy as you put in your last sentence.

And yet is one to take it and live with being called that.

[Rev. Allen M. Drago ~ Traveler]

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From: Knight King ([e-mail])
Sent: Fri 7/31/09 4:13 AM
To: Traveler ([e-mail])

Knight King has sent you a message on MANY FRIENDSHIPS 2

I am sorry it came down this way, I really am. I wish you the best with clearing your name, I cannot help when I myself don't understand you fully. I was beginning to understand the way you expressed yourself, but you did not have a jury on my site traveler until you yourself turned it into to one. I couldn't make them understand you, because I didn't understand why you wrote that blog. Tell me why would you bring it to their attention like that, tell me I want to understand. They were not the ones hurting you, unless you seen some of them were members on my site, is that it, some of the ones that hurt you were on my site? The only person I know that knows more about you than anyone and what you are about is Karen, and you did scare her at one time. She told me everything, but then she started to understand you a little better,still she is wary of you. She wanted me on this site for a reason, I still do not know why, but here I am. Traveler you have an extraordinary life, don't let this shit on ning get to you. They are just letters on a screen these people. None of us really and truly know each other do we? And I will bet you that some of the ones talking smack about you are worse than what they accuse you of. I am thinking of leaving ning all together now, too much fucking drama, I don't need that , I take medicine so I don't go off the deep dark end. I am losing my connection tomorrow anyway. So I guess farewell is in order. Others have left ning too. kk
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:46:13 +0000
> From: Traveler
> To: Knight King, Dvorah, Karen
>
> You do what you need to do. If people can't understand the wrong of things and still want me done away with then you do what you must. I must have the truth and words for that is the only thing I have to battle with. For what I have been accused with what else am I left with.
>
> I am not one to lie down easy. And what I have been ACCUSED of not am is something I will fight in any fashion I can.

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From: andrew rutledge ([e-mail])
Sent: Fri 7/31/09 5:15 AM
To: Traveler ([e-mail])

andrew rutledge has sent you a message on GATE KEEPERS OF THE EAST GARDEN

I sent him an e-mail asking about this, in concern about one of my members, I tried to word it so it wouldn't draw attention to what i was doing, didn't quite get what i wanted, If you wish I 'll send you what I wrote for I do have it archived there, & from what I've been told I better whatch my step there I guess they were asking question about me & someone ealse, as I told the other person if a problem comes out of it than blame me, becuase I don't care if they bann me anyway. I don't know how much help it'll be.


Shadow has sent you a message on Enchanted Forest

I sent out broadcast..stating this was not a dating or pik up site or a place of solicitation of men or women.. recently we have even had to add age limit due to alot of under age kids trying to get in.and have to be approved now..
but i am admin ..and have another admin but presently away and 5 mods ..we allways scan the site for un wanted material or people here just to add all the women on site .has been issue in past ..we leave it to the members to come to us we are adults ..but some let it blow up before comeing to me..but after sending warning like i did "0" tolerence ..then i ban on site no questions asked.
they do come in teams.. once you notice a set coming in goto your invites..you will see possibly who has invited them and cancell those invitations before they can get to your site ..if they keep trying to invite them ..i ban them also.
Thanks
Shadow

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Comment by Traveler on July 31, 2009 at 7:47am
Delete Comment AN injustice is being done. Which is inferred as many within ning had a hand within it. Many have I see none I know none so nothing is. And yet it has much to do with if some one can be part of something and then point out something false it must be true. Not directly here but it has spread over several Practitioner sites and has yet been brought accountable for the incorrect and falseness done to many.

Also this has cause me to be banned for setting a profile sometimes less than 24 hours. No questions not on inquiry just pop and bann. No one wants to learn of truth nor correct they just select.

You have asked me to select my profile for friends only. I have done so. I will place the practitioner files here this evening. If still allowed to be here.

Lady Anastasia Comment by Lady Anastasia on July 31, 2009 at 2:40pm
Delete Comment No one has mentioned banning here. I don't see any reason why you should be banned from PaganMystics, as you haven't done anything that I would consider to be ban worthy.

I simply pointed out here, in my comments, that this blog about actions taken on other sites, has no bearing with this site.

And yes, I did request that you set your profile to friends only here, in an attempt to circumvent any kind of drama that might arise b/c members might not agree with or understand aspects of your presonal profile.

Traveler Comment by Traveler on July 31, 2009 at 3:05pm
Delete Comment But the group referenced does seem to have some sort of control and power in Ningverse and many seem to be listening to it. Not only am I trying to figure this out find those whom are doing but also making sure others know of this and that it is wrong. Yes your site your play ground your rules. But weather is weather and it happens people should be aware of it. I am not mouthing in type I just want to know and people see to ask not assume and take someone from some where who does not know me to tell them of me. Many just ignore things I face and deal with them. If I am wrong for wanting to clear my name and wanting truth to be known then I am wrong. But some how it must be know for how many others will they do this to? Or have done to? Incorrectly.

Cat Comment by Cat on July 31, 2009 at 3:22pm
Delete Comment I actually see a good reason for making this more public because if one of us is not defended against an injustice, ALL of us will eventually be subjected to the same injustice. Traveler is NOT saying ANYONE banned or threatened to ban him from HERE, only that he wanted this to be discussed since it DOES effect us all. I myself was attacked by this person JUST FOR DEFENDING A FRIEND! He accused me of things I would NEVER in a million years do and I think Traveler wanted people to know so that they would be made aware of what this person was like!

Put yourself in HIS place! If YOU were the one who was being attacked WITHOUT provocation and you were trying to do something about it, wouldn't YOU want to warn people too before OTHERS became a victim!? I don't see ANY need for having this person be allowed to get away with his lies and I DON'T believe that it had nothing to do with Traveler's profile either, since he could not give any real proof of wrong doing. WOuldn't YOU want to have as many friends alerted as possible if YOU were the one he targeted?

Apathy is the reason people like this get away with it!
Cat

Lady Anastasia Comment by Lady Anastasia on July 31, 2009 at 4:46pm
Delete Comment Please refer to #7 http://paganmystics.ning.com/notes

The above link, for those of you who don't bother to click on it, goes directly to the Rules of THIS Site. They were established, and have been in use for over a year. This is not a new rule.


Now... onto Cat...
1. There is no reason at all to bring this up on a site that it has not happened on.
2. Communities that are set up on the Ning Platform are required to follow the rules and regulations set forth by Ning first and foremost, if a creator/mod does not... then the group can and will be shut down.
3. After nings code of conduct, etc. A site creator is in charge of running their site, based on the Way they wish to run them....
(what this means for those of you who are intellectually challenged is this) The Creator is God, Judge, Jury and Executioner for their site. They can play by whatever rules they wish to follow. They can ban at will and are not required to give any reason. Most will give you a reason as a courtesy, but not all will.

What else does this mean? If you don't like the way they choose to run their site, Move on, Get a Life and go play on another community.

Communities that run on a Ning Platform are not in any way shape or form democracies. They don't have to listen to the people who choose to play there.


Now... You are also getting really snippy with me... I think that the comments and conversation between myself and the OP of this Blog were going fine without the input from the Peanut gallery, (IE, YOU)

I am not a benevolent Goddess, I am not always an even tempered administrator, and quite frankly... You're rubbing me the wrong way and getting onto my bad side....

Again... I'm going to state it again... This topic is about something that did not happen on this site, this site has nothing to do with things that happen on other sites, and I'm tired of people dragging drama and allegations from site to site, to MY Site.

Traveler, I do hope that we can resolve this without further help from other people.

Blackbird Comment by Blackbird on July 31, 2009 at 4:54pm
Delete Comment And I will defend my friend by saying - DON'T BRING YOUR DRAMA HERE! Don't bring drama from other groups into this one...please. No need to bring problems onto a group that has done no wrong to you.

Also, Traveler - your language isn't "older styles and words" - it is simply incorrect English. I have many different profiles specific to my needs - professional, religious and non-secular. I don't care that you choose otherwise - HOWEVER, I do understand their want to restrict your open sexuality. Children don't need to be subjected to such things and most people don't really want to know about anyone's sexual proclivities unless it is specific to the groups they are in...in this case - it is not.

Cat - he made himself a target with what he placed in his profile. No, I don't agree with the lies being spread about him, but his being banned is the prerogative of the admins that did so. Also, I wouldn't want to bring down that issue onto others who don't deserve to be brought into that drama. If the owners had asked for such things to be discussed then that would be one thing, but the owner has now stated that she doesn't want such issues addressed her so, let's keep to the rule. Alerting your "friends" is one thing - pulling strangers into it is another.

Donna Comment by Donna on July 31, 2009 at 11:32pm
Delete Comment OK--my turn. I started this response last night, then got booted before I could post. Which was probaly a good thing, as it gave me a bit more time to reflect on my response.

First, as others have stated--no need to bring drama from outside sources here---however, if I were an admin here (lucky I'm not) I would have told you to either make your profile private or change it. You are not speaking any older styles or words, as BB mentioned--and trust me, luv, I do know. I, of all people, would never judge anyone for their sexual lifestyles--I being of the same lifestyle, Traveler. And even though some here who do know me well enough know that--I do not go and broadcast that on any of these forums. This is a site that does have children as members, and your profile was COMPLETELY inappropriate. What you have written--and yes I viewed it completely before you made it private--was suitable for collarme or fetlife--most certainly NOT for here.

As in all areas of life, there is a time and a place for everything--your judgement in placing a profile as such on a site with children is very questionable. If that offends--too bad. AGain, let me reiterate--I am not knocking nor judging your lifestyle, as mine is very similar. I am the resident freak here--lol. But I do not go and discuss such matters in a public forum open to all ages. And Cat, this has absolutely nothing to do with discrimination--it has to do with legalities. If you'd like me to quote such laws and statutes--I will be most happy to find some for you. There is a reason why such sites as collorme and fetlife exists and are for those 18 yrs old and over. If you consider that discrimination--take it up with your congressman.

And Traveler--do not try to bs anyone here with the "I was misunderstood--I speak in older styles and words" wtf ever---you were very descriptive and blunt--there was absolutely no mistaking what your profile said. If you choose to discuss this further with me--I will happily give you my screen name at both above mentioned sites.

[Rev. Allen M. Drago ~ Traveler]

Comment by Lady Anastasia on July 30, 2009 at 10:27pm
Delete Comment KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

lmao.... ok... I have to admit, I gave up in reading the blog after just a few paragraphs. What I'm getting from this is that you've been banned from a site, or more than one of the sites that are operating on the Ning Platform.

1. Please refer to the rules that we have for this site on the rules page, you can find the link under the "Home" tab.

2. As the bannings and drama happened on other sites, PaganMystics administration doesnt' really care. Everyone enters this community the same and with a clean slate, I don't care about what happened on othr sites and why, we don't want drama from other sites being brought over here.


My opinion... I believe that there is sufficient reason to ask that this blog be deleted, as it has nothing to do with anything happened on this community.